In this piece, I discuss once more with some atheists on whether there is freewill and whether freewill is destroyed by supernatural agency if there are instructions or recommendations ensuing from on high:
Commands operate with a disregard for free will, commands preempt the free agent and EXPECT an automated response in line with stimulus either reward or punishment. To claim God grants and thereafter issues a Command, implies God immediately withdrew the free will at the issuance of the command or else a conflict evolves.
Its impossible to believe rewards and punishments are ineffective at a free agent, with our modern knowledge on psychology; positive reinforcement, conditioning play a big role our psychological setup. We impulsively avoid pain. We seek out pain to gain greater pleasure. Our bodies and minds are pre-tuned.
Hence to claim our free will is outside the influence of the consequence of our actions, is ridiculous.
Kay 17 and Wiegraf:
There is a fundamental misunderstanding here of what
freewill is. It is a misunderstanding that has been repeatedly echoed despite
the fact that the error has already been addressed. Some of the misunderstanding
stems unfortunately from your jaundiced paraphrasing of what I have said. The
imprecision in articulating what you think I have said or perhaps the
misapprehension of such is perhaps to blame here.
Freewill/freely willed actions/voluntary actions, I repeat,
are not invalidated or rendered non-existent simply because there is a threat
or a promise attached to their undertaking. The fundamental and categorical
error that an atheist or a moral nihilist is making here is to draw a false
equivalence between freewill on the
one hand and freedom from the
consequences of one’s actions on the other.
The concept of freewill simply posits that the conduct
of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by
physical or even divine forces. As free rational and moral agents,
human beings possess the ability of their own will or intention or desire
to effect or actualize any number of actions or goals. For instance, I can
freely will or decide to stand up, or sit down, or hop on one foot, or sing a
song in the shower, or turn the television on, or tell a lie, or help a
neighbor in need, or poison another person’s drink etc. I can freely think and
nurture these intentions and execute them if I so choose. In other words, I am
not a cybernetic pre-programmed organism merely acting out a predetermined
script or program. These freely willed actions of mine as anyone can see (and
which in fact sensible atheists affirm) are
not and do not need to be immediately and directly caused by any
concatenation of noticeable physical forces. In other words, if I pick up a
knife and proceed to stab another person in the back with the intent to kill, I cannot claim that my
actions were completely outside my control or that some external physical forces
ought to be blamed for my conscious rational decision.
If the free voluntary actions of human beings were really
thought to be no more than the dictates of some personally removed agency, then
there’d be no basis upon which to accuse anyone of wrongdoing; moral accountability
or even moral culpability goes out the window. On such a view—such as might be
espoused by a moral nihilist or a strong advocate of Darwinian naturalism—murder,
rape and child abuse for instance would be morally neutral or perhaps morally
permissible actions being that the persons committing such actions clearly
exercise no control over these actions. They would merely be acting out some
physical or naturalistic predetermined script being utterly captive to the same.
Now, I suspect that no atheist is going to want to be thought of as lacking a
sufficient moral barometer, and thus it is not surprising to read or hear
atheists squeal in protest at any charge that the logical extrapolation of
their worldview—the determinism inherent in unvarnished naturalism—would necessitate
such demeaning conclusions. The plain
fact of the matter is that these are voluntary actions based on my own personal
freewill.
However—and this is a noteworthy distinction—in as much as I
have the freedom to will, purpose, aim, intend, contemplate or plot some course
of action (notice how I am painstakingly delineating a difference here), I do
not have and cannot demand to have a freedom
from the consequence of that action. This is the point of departure folks; it is
precisely on this score that the atheist/nihilist gets it wrong. Actions have
consequences and the consequences for our actions have to be faced. One’s
freewill is not obviated simply by pleading that one’s freely willed actions
ought not to carry any threat of punishment. Follow me as I attempt to
expatiate on this.
Suppose that you designed a gigantic, intricate house. Also,
assume that to deal with possible incidences of burglary you designed a secret
chamber in which you kept bloodthirsty vicious hounds capable of ripping a man
to pieces. At night, when everyone was safely tucked in, you would quietly let
slip the dogs of ‘war’. In the morning, having completed the night watch, these
hounds will crawl back into their secret chambers and you would lock them up
again. Now, assume furthermore that you had a visitor whom you warned expressly
not to go outside at night for whatever reason because you had vicious
man-eating dogs on the prowl. Now here’s the question: does the visitor in this
thought experiment have the free will to
obey or disobey the owner of the house as it regards not going outside
at night?
It would appear that from your understanding, you imagine
that the visitor in this thought experiment had inexplicably lost his freewill.
That idea is unquestionably false. By what strange mechanism did the visitor in
this example suddenly lose the ability to purpose, aim, intend, design,
contemplate or plot a lovely night stroll into the woods at the back of the
house? It is clear that he still has every freedom of the will to desire to venture
outside the premises in clear contravention of the house owner’s directions. He
might consider the consequence of such an ill-advised night stroll and of his
own free will decide that it probably was not worth the effort. However, if he
acts on this same freewill (which at no time was ever impeded) and freely
decides to venture outside (possibly because he disbelieved the owner of the
house), then he cannot upon seeing the hasty advance of bloodthirsty canines
declare the housekeeper unjust on the grounds that his freewill was tampered
with or preempted. He cannot declare that freewill ought to imply that he should
be free of the direct consequence of his
decisions and actions. That will be the height of crass buffoonery.
Again, if I tell a child not to put his hand into a fire
because doing so would get him burned, he has every right to do so or not do
so. It is his personal choice. What the unthinking atheist fantasizes about is
to have an impractical state of affairs whereby he is absolved of or free of
the consequences of his actions. Like a child who inflexibly sticks his fingers
into an open flame in defiance of his parent’s admonition, the atheist wants a
scenario where he is able to retrieve his finger from the flame and have it unburned as it naturally should. Or to
press the point further home, the atheist or moral nihilist imagines that the
concept of freewill is undermined or torpedoed by suggesting that a man who
seriously intended to murder a roomful of children might be given pause by the
realization that he would be imprisoned or possibly killed for going through
with such an action. It is clear that
such a would-be mass murderer has absolutely no problem with willing,
contemplating and even carrying out these actions (freewill) but he is
definitely not entitled to thinking that he ought to be free of the consequences or ramifications of that action.
Therefore, whether we impulsively avoid pain, or
instinctively hanker after pleasure, the fact is that such pain-minimizing or
pleasure-maximizing personal indulgences speak only to the proper working of
our homeostasis-seeking faculties; our desire for some sort of equilibrium. They
do not dictate and cannot impose on any rational moral agent’s freewill. Like I
pointed out earlier, it is abundantly clear that people can freely will and execute some actions
DESPITE the possible threat of some negative consequence. In like manner, it is
also evident that people can also freely
will and desist from taking some action DESPITE the possible promise of
some positive consequence. In all cases, it is patently absurd to suggest that
such voluntary human actions (borne out of our libertarian free will) automatically
become non-existent because some natural or divine agency has ordained some deleterious
consequence for certain actions.
You’ll reap what you sow if not here then in the hereafter—whether
anyone wants it to be so or not is I’m afraid immaterial.
Cheers.
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